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Out of sheer curiosity, what happens if you fit your sigmoid model to more recent data, like say the latest INWORKS results or 15-country study? One issue with using a more complex model is that it is correspondingly more dependent on having enough data.

Sigmoid curve seems plausible for DNA damage, but I have a big concern about what the "dose" parameter for the sigmoid curve should be.

There are many other sources of DNA damage besides ionizing radiation. We have a 40% lifetime cancer rate, after all - that damage is repaired, but sometimes the repair introduces a mutation, and sometimes (astronomically rarely, on per mutation basis) that mutation leads to cancer.

Focusing on ionizing radiation alone, you place zero ionizing radiation at the origin of the sigmoid curve. But what if instead it would be zero ionizing-radiation-like DNA damage is at the origin of the sigmoid curve? Then we may be living almost halfway up the sigmoid curve, in the linear region.

Let's say Bob is your stereotypical American with a lifetime cancer risk of 40%, and Jacob is an Amish who doesn't drink or smoke, is physically active, and has a lifetime cancer risk of 24% .

It is reasonable to assume that Bob's cells experience numerous (mostly non ionizing radiation) genotoxic hazards that Jacob's do not, and that Bob's body does not fully repair DNA damage from those hazards. Wouldn't that put Bob substantially past the bottom "hook" of a DNA repair related sigmoid curve?

In other words, how clean do you have to live, to be in the bottom hook region? Clearly you shouldn't be already exposed to large doses of ionizing radiation, but is that the only requirement? There's great many other causes of DNA damage, endogenous and exogenous.

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