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Jack Devanney's avatar

Re: Malthusians and Misanthropes.

I say again the only point of Figure 2 is that current CO2 levels are not a problem for the planet.

The planet has survived far higher CO2 levels in the past.

It seems some members of the choir define "planet" as something like "human well-being".

That strikes me as a very long stretch,; but, if that is your definition, then yes Figure 2 tells you almost nothing useful. An entirely different perspective is appropriate. See, for example,

https://jackdevanney.substack.com/p/how-much-time-do-we-have

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David Khoo's avatar

Two issues with the CO2 comparison across the planet's history:

1. CO2 concentration is not the only factor that determines global temperature, as the graph itself implies. There are many more inputs to the function, like solar output (the sun is slowly getting brighter), planetary albedo, other greenhouse gas concentrations, etc. So it's hard to say if the CO2 concentration now is a problem or not on its own. You need to look at everything else too.

2. While the current CO2 concentration is low, the *rate of change* is very high compared to any other time in the planet's history. Global warming is not a problem so much because of the temperature itself -- the planet has been hotter before -- but the speed it is happening. If the planet warmed or cooled 3 degrees over ten thousand years or even a thousand years, that's no problem. Life would adapt easily and so would human civilization. The problem is that the temperature change is happening over tens of years, and that may be unprecedented in the planet's history since life evolved, apart from sudden disasters like asteroid impacts.

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